Videos on newgrounds

I've had a series of movies I've imported into flash and put up on newgrounds.

The videos are just dubs. It takes awhile to do the voices and put all the audio in there - but other than that they're just sound to re-used footage.

Apparently the very thought of something of this medium even crossing such a public display such as newgrounds has pissed off quite a few people. The reasons I've heard thus far have been
1) It's not -really- flash work
2) It's not your art
3) "Everything by everyone" isn't meant to be taken literally.

And, those are very good complaints. If the adimns and mods deem it necessary to remove such content I respect their decision.

But I do have a response -
While the ToS does implicitly say that "if it's not your art - don't upload it" - I need to point the spotlight at sprites and sprite works. The art, while manipulated in such a manner that doesn't reflect movement from the original creators of the art, still isn't the uploader's art. (unless of course the sprites are custom).

Now, I'm well aware sprites is controversial in itself and there is a whole group of people who feel that sprite movies, of any kind, are crap. None the less they are allowed. Beyond that, they have their own sections. Beyond that STILL - they are featured. Super Mario Bros Z, albeit, very good, is still sprites. And yet, is in the top 50 best newgrounds works of -all- -time-.

My videos are ripped and replaced to different sound.
Sprites are ripped and placed to different sound.
Videos aren't allowed yet sprites are?

Again, I'm well aware that sprites give you much more control of the end effect where as video is just - you have a set amount of animation that's it - end of story. The art, however, still isn't created by the uploader. However, in both cases, proper credit -is- given to the creator of said art.

Doesn't that then make the two the same? No?

I make a sprite movie where the animation follows a game sequence -exactly- but is still in flash. I get voice actors to act out a Zelda scene exactly. The art, and now, the animation is exactly the same. But, the sound is different.

Is this allowed?

Should this be deemed acceptable but something like my videos considered a hanus act of breaking the newgrounds ToS?

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Sonucais 2007-09-19 17:51:51

They will not delete it probably.

mimic12455 2007-09-19 22:55:22

I support your video.

Imacow 2007-09-19 23:00:18

They might be acceptable, but noone will like them.

Dazmi 2007-09-19 23:01:14

Knox has done a few. It was funny.
It's not allowed if you put the full thing & not putting in your own idea's & words in it

You can Fan-Dub things on youtube =]

Elios 2007-09-20 02:47:01

I would support your videos, and for a good reason.

Not to get anyone in trouble, but Knox (creator of the blue clay guys) has a series of hilarious videos, with scenes of "The Terminator" "Resident Evil" and "The Matrix" With his voice dubbed over. Very funny stuff, and if you can pull off some good humor, you have my support.

Komadori1975 2007-09-20 10:57:03

Hi, there. This touches upon an issue in the World of Art, so to speak. Now, having had the discussion with a couple of profs at my college, so long as three major things are changed from the original, it can't be under artistic license/copyright. Also, parodies have protection from copyright infringement.

I'm not going to touch the opinion of worth in sprite animation, but in that they do not remake the games they are from, tend to have crossover interaction from many games, and require editing in form as well as storyline, I would say that they would not fall under 'stolen work'.

Now, I must admit that I have not watched your vids, but if your dubs are the same story then it's not really yours, though the voice acting is unique. If you are not editing the artwork in any shape (are you changing when the mouth moves?), then NG might not be the place for it. That doesn't mean you can't promote it from your NG blog.

Anyway I just hope that helps clarify the issue you had regarding stolen work or not. Considering the stuff that has passed in the portal, I honestly wouldn't worry about your stuff disappearing. u.u

JRHelios 2007-10-27 16:31:15

i find it stupid that youtube deletes your video and then keeps several copies of "it's the juggernaut bitch" and several AMVs. i personally blame the sonic haters for that.